Wednesday, December 31, 2008
Women make 76 cents for every dollar a man makes?
In this blogging I will illustrate the case made by several progressive women on why the 76 cents for every dollar a man makes is misleading and ascribed to the largely false accusation that there is pay discrimination for doing the same job a man does.
The wage gap officially exposed! BLS & Dept of Labor FINAL REPORT!!!
UNITED STATES BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS OFFICIAL REPORT!
http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/1984/06/art4full.pdf
UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF LABOR FINAL REPORT! http://www.consad.com/content/reports/Gender%20Wage%20Gap%20Final%20Report.pdf
Article (1) By Jeanne Sahadi, CNNMoney.com senior writer: "Rebuking the 76 to every dollar claim"
http://money.cnn.com/2006/02/21/commentary/everyday/sahadi/
Article (2) By Diana Furchtgott-Roth, resident fellow at the American Enterprise institute: Inequal pay - fact or myth?
http://media.www.gwhatchet.com/media/storage/paper332/news/2003/04/14/Opinions/Forum.Inequal.Pay.Fact.Or.Myth-416376.shtml
Article (3)By Cathy Young OUT WITH THE OLD AND OUT WITH THE NEW
Feminism of every stripe has failed. It's time for a gender equality movement.
http://archive.salon.com/mwt/feature/2000/01/26/feminism/index.html
In this article Jeanne illustrates that this statistic was gathered by a blanket approach of taking all women and men in the workforce and adding up their wages to
find the disparity. While as a whole the disparity arrived at is true this statistic is widely disseminated under the false accusation that "women get paid less for doing the same job". She makes the case that there is no possibility for this data to substantiate such a claim and obviously from the methodology used she is entirely correct.
Stating quote "To the average person, that ratio gives the false impression that any woman working is at risk of being paid 24 cents less per dollar than a man in the same position. But all the wage-gap ratio reflects is a comparison of the median earnings of all working women and men who log at least 35 hours a week on the job, any job. That's it." "It doesn't compare those with equal work, equal training, equal education or equal tenure. Nor does it take into account the hours of overtime worked." "Factors may include: more women choose lower-paying professions than men; they move in and out of the workforce more frequently; and they work fewer paid hours on average." And yet Hillary Clinton and The President elect of The United States repeats the claim of blatant discrimination to the nation!
In defense of this claim: "Heidi Hartmann believes actual discrimination accounts for between 25 percent and 33 percent of the wage gap." However "Compensation specialist Gary Thornton, a principal in the HR management consulting firm Thornton & Associates, figures at least 10 percent to 15 percent does." The actual amount of discrimination or to who what and how it can be attributed to is unknown at this time! Suffice to say that the current misinformation is suiting the feminist agenda well enough so as not to try and find the actual numbers and is quite content to say all women are discriminated against and not paid equally for the same work.
The article also states that: "A recent Cornell study found that female job applicants with children would be less likely to get hired, and if they do, would be paid a lower salary than other candidates, male and female. <(?Meaning other male and female candidates without children? How would the business know this information anyway? In fact how do they know who has children in general? Something does not smell right with this study.)> By contrast, male applicants with children would be offered a higher salary than non-fathers and other mothers." (other mothers perhaps meaning women who already work there and then have children? or other non-mothers?)
It must be noted that this finding comes from what was supposed to be a bipartisan neutral party commission yet 16 of the 21 people on the panel are women. Three of which come from special interest women and minority organizations such as
the "Women's Legal Defense Fund" "Black Enterprise Magazine" and "Hispanics Organized for Political Equality" Not to say that they did not make a good attempt at bipartisanship but being that the study does involve the special interest of women the panel to me seems a little skewed toward one representative gender here. Of course it would be impossible to account for such things because in todays politically correct society purposefully making the panel truly bipartisan would be discriminatory toward gender in itself. Feminist are also comfortable perpetuating the hateful polarization between the needs of men, women and familys and simply will not mention that the findings mention the same discrimination of pay for single men with no children. They are quite comfortable taking the stance that women are victims of "The Patriarchy". http://digitalcommons.ilr.cornell.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1118&context=key_workplace
Furthermore it is common knowledge that a business will hire who they think will be beneficial to them and them alone and it must be noted that if the women above are in fact caregivers to children and family then this is not beneficial to business. It is then made clear that any discrimination is not the product of "The Patriachy" of male oppression but common business sense and the gender roles, decisions and struggle of the individual American family. However I can say that the study suggest pay preference is given to "male providers" with a wife and children. If anything it can be said the findings suggest bias toward being pro men with families of which BY THE WAY, these women are a member of and not against women by reason of their gender. It can be said the the feminist dilema then is not how to get equal pay for women but how to get women to stop taking conscious and active actual responsibility for the "child problem" to allow natural economic business forces to realign to the then increased productive potential of women. It is not the American family feminists seek to benefit but equal production potential for women in the work place. Feminists do not seek increased earnings potential for women in general, they seek increased earnings potential for women in a the family unit which will be by enlarge if not entirely nullified and offset by the then increased child care cost. This is a zero sum outcome. Marginal income disparity within the family unit is not enough for feminists to view women as equals in a family relationship. It seems that try as they might women are content to define themselves and their needs and men as well. And in eyes of American women to let a man and husband be a husband and for them to be a mother.
UNFORTUNATELY FEMINISM HAS BEEN THE ONLY VOICE OF AMERICAN FAMILES WHO'S INTEREST IT DOES NOT HAVE IN MIND. WE TRUSTED FEMINISTS AND WOMEN'S GROUPS WITH MENDING, HEALING, CHANGING AND MAINTAINING OUR SOCIAL FABRIC AND THEY HAVE FAILED US ALL. IT IS TIME FOR US ALL TO RISE UP AND TAKE CHARGE OF THIS MESS. FEMINISM IS BUILDING AN INFRASTRUCTURE AROUND DISBANDED FAMILYS, SYSTEMIC TRANSFERENCE OF WEALTH FROM MEN TO THEIR EX-WIVES AND CHILDREN THEY CAN NOT SEE, AND GOVERNMENT HUSBANDRY. IT TRULY IS BUILT ON THE PREMISE OF ELIMINATING MEN FROM WOMEN'S LIVES AND THAT OF THEIR CHILDREN. IT SUBSIDIZES THE DESTRUCTION OF FAMILY AND INSPIRES THE MONUMENTOUS AND PROFITABLE DIVORCE INDUSTRY. PURE CAPITALISM DOES NOT FACTOR FOR EXTERNALITIES THAT BUILD A HEALTHY AND STRONG NATION. ONLY OUR VOICES AND HUMAN REASONING CAN REGULATE THIS UNTAMED BEAST AND MONEY ENGINE.
So it can then be said that while women work less than men as a whole there is also a wide distribution of MANY variables as to why the disparity as a whole is true. Mostly it is my belief that women gravitate to and are interested in different jobs than men and as the author noted by enlarge give preference to caring for their children and family. The feminist agenda is to strip women from the needs of their new born child and children and submit them to institutionalized and corporate homogeneous "Mcvironment" of "child care" facilities. 12 weeks paternity leave is supposed to be sufficient for men and women before they surrender their child to the "village" as Hillary Clinton likes to call it.
I don't know what everyone else thinks but we BOTH MEN AND WOMEN should be given family leave to care for our children in any way they need. Americans should not have to declare a category or inform their employer of why they are taking time off. Both men and women in this country need to be encouraged to care for our family's with a large pubic service campaign. Time off should be explicitly confidential and paid in many regards. As to how we will get capitalism to factor in HUMAN NEEDS and not to discriminate should they do so is a matter of CHANGING OUR CULTURAL VALUES. An infrastructure should be created in which a collective social fund is available for working families if companies are unable to pay for our time off. We need to change our cultural values and understand that a MIGHTY AND POWERFUL EMPIRE can not be sustained by measuring and demanding productive potential alone.
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE THE LEAST WORKERS RIGHTS THAN ANY DEVELOPED NATION. LABOR HAS BEEN OVER TAKEN BY CAPITOL FOR THE LAST 30 YEARS AND WE CAN NOT CONTINUE LIKE THIS. PRODUCTIVITY AND PROFIT ARE OUR MOST IMPORTANT CULTURAL VALUES AND THIS NEEDS TO CHANGE. PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT MY PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING FROM STRESS, ILL HEALTH, VIOLENCE AND DESTRUCTION OF FAMILY. WE HAVE THE NEXT TO LAST UNICEF CHIILD WELLBEING RATING OF ALL DEVELOPED NATIONS BESIDES GREAT BRITAN. WE ALSO HAVE THE LOWEST OR NEXT TO LOWEST SUBJECTIVE HAPPINESS RATINGS. I AM VERY DEEPLY TROUBLED BY PARALLELS TO THE FALL OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE AND THE STATE OF MY DEAR BELOVED COUNTRY. I AM ONE MAN BUT CALL UPON MY COUNTRYMEN AND WOMEN TO HELP SAVE MY COUNTRY, MY AMERICA, MY BEAUTIFUL LADY LIBERTY IS DYING!! GOD SAVE MY COUNTRY AND GIVE MY PEOPLE STRENGTH. WAKE THEM FROM THEIR COMPLACENCY!
Article (2)"Given all the misused statistics to the contrary, equally qualified women make about 95 to 98 cents on the man's dollar, according to studies by June O'Neill of the City University of New York"
(Given the above I challenge anyone to study the difference in wages among men's pay who do the same job!)
Furchtgott-Roth sites statistics from the National Longitudinal Survey of Youth stating that "Women, not necessarily urban or college educated ones, often choose to take jobs that earn less money and require less experience and education of their own volition - to stay home and raise families. Bundling these women into statistical equations to produce the disparaging 74-cent figure is not only unfair, but it is also reckless"
Article (3) "They insist, for instance, that women earn 75 cents to a man's dollar "for the same work," even though economists like Harvard University's Claudia Goldin readily concede that the pay gap largely reflects differences in occupation, skills and length of employment, and even though the gap is rapidly closing for young women whose career patterns are more similar to men's. They also claim that schools are rife with anti-female bias (when 55 percent of college degrees are obtained by women)." "No less disturbingly, the women's movement often seems to have shifted from the goal of equal treatment to one of female advantage."
American women I pray will embrace their feminine strengths and realize that women have income that is not measured by their work alone. Dr. Warren Farrell has illustrated that much of men's earning are transfered and spent on women. Women have an over all higher net worth than men when added up. We need to stop fighting and find balance in our lives as men and women. We need to compliment our weaknesses and demand a family friendly government. Demand that essential human liberty and needs be factored into our mighty giant.
Very briefly the wage gap of 76 cents is what economists call the RAW WAGE GAP or what men and women put together earn as a whole of the population and not "for the same job" as feminists will tell you.. Here are a couple of reasons for this 24 cent gap:
Men go into technology and hard sciences more than women.
Men are more likely to take hazardous jobs than women, and such jobs pay more than cushier and safer jobs.
Men are more willing to expose themselves to inclement weather at work, and are compensated for it ("compensating differences" in the language of economics).
Men tend to take more stressful jobs that are not "nine-to-five."
Many women prefer personal fulfillment at work (child care professional, for example) to higher pay.
Men are bigger risk takers than women, in general. Higher risk leads to higher reward.
The worst working hours pay more, and men are more likely to work these hours than women.
Dangerous jobs (coal mining) pay more and are more male dominated.
Men tend to "update" their work qualifications more than women do.
Men are more likely to work longer hours, and the pay gap widens for every hour past 40 per week.
Women are more likely to have "gaps" in their careers, primarily because of child rearing and child care. Less experience means lower pay.
Women are nine times more likely than men to drop out of work for "family reasons." Less seniority leads to lower pay.
Men work more weeks per year than women.
Men have half the absenteeism rate of women.
Men are more willing to commute long distances to work.
Men are more willing to relocate to undesirable locations for higher-paying jobs.
Men are more willing to take jobs that require extensive travel.
In the corporate world men are more likely to choose higher-paying fields such as finance and sales, whereas women are more prevalent in lower-paying fields such as human resources and public relations.
When men and women have the same job title, male responsibilities tend to be greater.
Men are more likely to work by commission; women are more likely to seek job security. The former has more earning potential.
Women place greater value on flexibility, a humane work environment, and having time for children and family than men do.
The wage gap officially exposed! BLS & Dept of Labor FINAL REPORT!!!
UNITED STATES BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS OFFICIAL REPORT!
http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/1984/06/art4full.pdf
UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF LABOR FINAL REPORT! http://www.consad.com/content/reports/Gender%20Wage%20Gap%20Final%20Report.pdf
Article (1) By Jeanne Sahadi, CNNMoney.com senior writer: "Rebuking the 76 to every dollar claim"
http://money.cnn.com/2006/02/21/commentary/everyday/sahadi/
Article (2) By Diana Furchtgott-Roth, resident fellow at the American Enterprise institute: Inequal pay - fact or myth?
http://media.www.gwhatchet.com/media/storage/paper332/news/2003/04/14/Opinions/Forum.Inequal.Pay.Fact.Or.Myth-416376.shtml
Article (3)By Cathy Young OUT WITH THE OLD AND OUT WITH THE NEW
Feminism of every stripe has failed. It's time for a gender equality movement.
http://archive.salon.com/mwt/feature/2000/01/26/feminism/index.html
In this article Jeanne illustrates that this statistic was gathered by a blanket approach of taking all women and men in the workforce and adding up their wages to
find the disparity. While as a whole the disparity arrived at is true this statistic is widely disseminated under the false accusation that "women get paid less for doing the same job". She makes the case that there is no possibility for this data to substantiate such a claim and obviously from the methodology used she is entirely correct.
Stating quote "To the average person, that ratio gives the false impression that any woman working is at risk of being paid 24 cents less per dollar than a man in the same position. But all the wage-gap ratio reflects is a comparison of the median earnings of all working women and men who log at least 35 hours a week on the job, any job. That's it." "It doesn't compare those with equal work, equal training, equal education or equal tenure. Nor does it take into account the hours of overtime worked." "Factors may include: more women choose lower-paying professions than men; they move in and out of the workforce more frequently; and they work fewer paid hours on average." And yet Hillary Clinton and The President elect of The United States repeats the claim of blatant discrimination to the nation!
In defense of this claim: "Heidi Hartmann believes actual discrimination accounts for between 25 percent and 33 percent of the wage gap." However "Compensation specialist Gary Thornton, a principal in the HR management consulting firm Thornton & Associates, figures at least 10 percent to 15 percent does." The actual amount of discrimination or to who what and how it can be attributed to is unknown at this time! Suffice to say that the current misinformation is suiting the feminist agenda well enough so as not to try and find the actual numbers and is quite content to say all women are discriminated against and not paid equally for the same work.
The article also states that: "A recent Cornell study found that female job applicants with children would be less likely to get hired, and if they do, would be paid a lower salary than other candidates, male and female. <(?Meaning other male and female candidates without children? How would the business know this information anyway? In fact how do they know who has children in general? Something does not smell right with this study.)> By contrast, male applicants with children would be offered a higher salary than non-fathers and other mothers." (other mothers perhaps meaning women who already work there and then have children? or other non-mothers?)
It must be noted that this finding comes from what was supposed to be a bipartisan neutral party commission yet 16 of the 21 people on the panel are women. Three of which come from special interest women and minority organizations such as
the "Women's Legal Defense Fund" "Black Enterprise Magazine" and "Hispanics Organized for Political Equality" Not to say that they did not make a good attempt at bipartisanship but being that the study does involve the special interest of women the panel to me seems a little skewed toward one representative gender here. Of course it would be impossible to account for such things because in todays politically correct society purposefully making the panel truly bipartisan would be discriminatory toward gender in itself. Feminist are also comfortable perpetuating the hateful polarization between the needs of men, women and familys and simply will not mention that the findings mention the same discrimination of pay for single men with no children. They are quite comfortable taking the stance that women are victims of "The Patriarchy". http://digitalcommons.ilr.cornell.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1118&context=key_workplace
Furthermore it is common knowledge that a business will hire who they think will be beneficial to them and them alone and it must be noted that if the women above are in fact caregivers to children and family then this is not beneficial to business. It is then made clear that any discrimination is not the product of "The Patriachy" of male oppression but common business sense and the gender roles, decisions and struggle of the individual American family. However I can say that the study suggest pay preference is given to "male providers" with a wife and children. If anything it can be said the findings suggest bias toward being pro men with families of which BY THE WAY, these women are a member of and not against women by reason of their gender. It can be said the the feminist dilema then is not how to get equal pay for women but how to get women to stop taking conscious and active actual responsibility for the "child problem" to allow natural economic business forces to realign to the then increased productive potential of women. It is not the American family feminists seek to benefit but equal production potential for women in the work place. Feminists do not seek increased earnings potential for women in general, they seek increased earnings potential for women in a the family unit which will be by enlarge if not entirely nullified and offset by the then increased child care cost. This is a zero sum outcome. Marginal income disparity within the family unit is not enough for feminists to view women as equals in a family relationship. It seems that try as they might women are content to define themselves and their needs and men as well. And in eyes of American women to let a man and husband be a husband and for them to be a mother.
UNFORTUNATELY FEMINISM HAS BEEN THE ONLY VOICE OF AMERICAN FAMILES WHO'S INTEREST IT DOES NOT HAVE IN MIND. WE TRUSTED FEMINISTS AND WOMEN'S GROUPS WITH MENDING, HEALING, CHANGING AND MAINTAINING OUR SOCIAL FABRIC AND THEY HAVE FAILED US ALL. IT IS TIME FOR US ALL TO RISE UP AND TAKE CHARGE OF THIS MESS. FEMINISM IS BUILDING AN INFRASTRUCTURE AROUND DISBANDED FAMILYS, SYSTEMIC TRANSFERENCE OF WEALTH FROM MEN TO THEIR EX-WIVES AND CHILDREN THEY CAN NOT SEE, AND GOVERNMENT HUSBANDRY. IT TRULY IS BUILT ON THE PREMISE OF ELIMINATING MEN FROM WOMEN'S LIVES AND THAT OF THEIR CHILDREN. IT SUBSIDIZES THE DESTRUCTION OF FAMILY AND INSPIRES THE MONUMENTOUS AND PROFITABLE DIVORCE INDUSTRY. PURE CAPITALISM DOES NOT FACTOR FOR EXTERNALITIES THAT BUILD A HEALTHY AND STRONG NATION. ONLY OUR VOICES AND HUMAN REASONING CAN REGULATE THIS UNTAMED BEAST AND MONEY ENGINE.
So it can then be said that while women work less than men as a whole there is also a wide distribution of MANY variables as to why the disparity as a whole is true. Mostly it is my belief that women gravitate to and are interested in different jobs than men and as the author noted by enlarge give preference to caring for their children and family. The feminist agenda is to strip women from the needs of their new born child and children and submit them to institutionalized and corporate homogeneous "Mcvironment" of "child care" facilities. 12 weeks paternity leave is supposed to be sufficient for men and women before they surrender their child to the "village" as Hillary Clinton likes to call it.
I don't know what everyone else thinks but we BOTH MEN AND WOMEN should be given family leave to care for our children in any way they need. Americans should not have to declare a category or inform their employer of why they are taking time off. Both men and women in this country need to be encouraged to care for our family's with a large pubic service campaign. Time off should be explicitly confidential and paid in many regards. As to how we will get capitalism to factor in HUMAN NEEDS and not to discriminate should they do so is a matter of CHANGING OUR CULTURAL VALUES. An infrastructure should be created in which a collective social fund is available for working families if companies are unable to pay for our time off. We need to change our cultural values and understand that a MIGHTY AND POWERFUL EMPIRE can not be sustained by measuring and demanding productive potential alone.
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE THE LEAST WORKERS RIGHTS THAN ANY DEVELOPED NATION. LABOR HAS BEEN OVER TAKEN BY CAPITOL FOR THE LAST 30 YEARS AND WE CAN NOT CONTINUE LIKE THIS. PRODUCTIVITY AND PROFIT ARE OUR MOST IMPORTANT CULTURAL VALUES AND THIS NEEDS TO CHANGE. PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT MY PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING FROM STRESS, ILL HEALTH, VIOLENCE AND DESTRUCTION OF FAMILY. WE HAVE THE NEXT TO LAST UNICEF CHIILD WELLBEING RATING OF ALL DEVELOPED NATIONS BESIDES GREAT BRITAN. WE ALSO HAVE THE LOWEST OR NEXT TO LOWEST SUBJECTIVE HAPPINESS RATINGS. I AM VERY DEEPLY TROUBLED BY PARALLELS TO THE FALL OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE AND THE STATE OF MY DEAR BELOVED COUNTRY. I AM ONE MAN BUT CALL UPON MY COUNTRYMEN AND WOMEN TO HELP SAVE MY COUNTRY, MY AMERICA, MY BEAUTIFUL LADY LIBERTY IS DYING!! GOD SAVE MY COUNTRY AND GIVE MY PEOPLE STRENGTH. WAKE THEM FROM THEIR COMPLACENCY!
Article (2)"Given all the misused statistics to the contrary, equally qualified women make about 95 to 98 cents on the man's dollar, according to studies by June O'Neill of the City University of New York"
(Given the above I challenge anyone to study the difference in wages among men's pay who do the same job!)
Furchtgott-Roth sites statistics from the National Longitudinal Survey of Youth stating that "Women, not necessarily urban or college educated ones, often choose to take jobs that earn less money and require less experience and education of their own volition - to stay home and raise families. Bundling these women into statistical equations to produce the disparaging 74-cent figure is not only unfair, but it is also reckless"
Article (3) "They insist, for instance, that women earn 75 cents to a man's dollar "for the same work," even though economists like Harvard University's Claudia Goldin readily concede that the pay gap largely reflects differences in occupation, skills and length of employment, and even though the gap is rapidly closing for young women whose career patterns are more similar to men's. They also claim that schools are rife with anti-female bias (when 55 percent of college degrees are obtained by women)." "No less disturbingly, the women's movement often seems to have shifted from the goal of equal treatment to one of female advantage."
American women I pray will embrace their feminine strengths and realize that women have income that is not measured by their work alone. Dr. Warren Farrell has illustrated that much of men's earning are transfered and spent on women. Women have an over all higher net worth than men when added up. We need to stop fighting and find balance in our lives as men and women. We need to compliment our weaknesses and demand a family friendly government. Demand that essential human liberty and needs be factored into our mighty giant.
Very briefly the wage gap of 76 cents is what economists call the RAW WAGE GAP or what men and women put together earn as a whole of the population and not "for the same job" as feminists will tell you.. Here are a couple of reasons for this 24 cent gap:
Men go into technology and hard sciences more than women.
Men are more likely to take hazardous jobs than women, and such jobs pay more than cushier and safer jobs.
Men are more willing to expose themselves to inclement weather at work, and are compensated for it ("compensating differences" in the language of economics).
Men tend to take more stressful jobs that are not "nine-to-five."
Many women prefer personal fulfillment at work (child care professional, for example) to higher pay.
Men are bigger risk takers than women, in general. Higher risk leads to higher reward.
The worst working hours pay more, and men are more likely to work these hours than women.
Dangerous jobs (coal mining) pay more and are more male dominated.
Men tend to "update" their work qualifications more than women do.
Men are more likely to work longer hours, and the pay gap widens for every hour past 40 per week.
Women are more likely to have "gaps" in their careers, primarily because of child rearing and child care. Less experience means lower pay.
Women are nine times more likely than men to drop out of work for "family reasons." Less seniority leads to lower pay.
Men work more weeks per year than women.
Men have half the absenteeism rate of women.
Men are more willing to commute long distances to work.
Men are more willing to relocate to undesirable locations for higher-paying jobs.
Men are more willing to take jobs that require extensive travel.
In the corporate world men are more likely to choose higher-paying fields such as finance and sales, whereas women are more prevalent in lower-paying fields such as human resources and public relations.
When men and women have the same job title, male responsibilities tend to be greater.
Men are more likely to work by commission; women are more likely to seek job security. The former has more earning potential.
Women place greater value on flexibility, a humane work environment, and having time for children and family than men do.
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